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NockerGeek ([personal profile] nockergeek) wrote2005-03-02 10:36 pm

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I just picked up the first volume of the English translation of the Tenjho Tenge manga. I won't be picking up the second. Why not? Because it's been heavily censored.


Now, TenTen is a fanservice-and-combat high school series. Lots of hand-to-hand violence, and gals with bountiful breasts who tend to flash their panties, along with the occasional nipple shot. In fact, TenTen's a bit more intense in both categories. Nothing on the level of, say, Battle Royale or Gantz, but there's still bloody fisticuffs (as they would be), and a few scenes of a couple of the characters in various states of nudity. In fact, one of the character relationships starts when the male lead gets launched into the shower room, where one of the female leads is just drying up. When he comes to, he looks down, and to his horror (he's shy around girls), he sees that he's sitting atop a naked woman.

Or, at least, he was in the Japanese version.

In the English version, when Nagi gets launched into the showers, Aya is wearing a bra. It's a decently rendered bra, but it's a bra that wasn't there in the original version (I have the scanlations as proof). It's also obviously added. Not as obvious as, say, the painted-on swimsuits at any hot springs scene from the Cartoon Network run of Tenchi Muyo, but the lineweights are different from the rest of the art. There's also some inconsistencies. In one panel, she has the bra. In the next, when just the straps would be showing, she isn't.

In another scene, when Bob has his girlfriend Chiaki over, she's straddling him, just wearing a shirt, covered in sweat. This is from behind, and you can just barely see her nipples... or at least you could in the original. In the CMX version, she's wearing a shirt under the shirt that goes down to her thighs, and under that they added some tones to suggest a pair of bikini bottoms. The first frame on the next page is zoomed in from the original, so that you can't see her nipples (those evil, evil nipples!) In fact, there are other frames from the first Nagi/Aya scene that are zoomed in to eliminate those fearsome bits of pigmented flesh.

Most heavily censored, though, is a scene where Chiaki is attacked and raped by a rival in a laundromat. Now, like I said, this book isn't graphically sexual, but in the original it's very clear what's going on. Underwear is torn, there's groping and licking, and some nudity. All of that? Excised from the American version. Shirts are stretched down to cover anything that wasn't eliminated through blacking out frames or zooming them in to the point of making them confusing.

Now, granted, in all of this, the story's relatively untouched, as is the violence and blood. Someone who's never seen any TenTen probably won't notice. To me, though, the changes were obvious and a bit heavy-handed. Yes, I can still get the story out of this, but what I lose is the artist's original vision. What's more, CMX (the company publishing TenTen, which is a branch of DC comics) has a Mature rating, which they use for series that include graphic violence and nudity, but TenTen isn't rated Mature. They rated it Teen, and the only way to get it down to a Teen rating was to censor it. What I want to know is, what are they going to do when it starts getting really violent, when some characters start getting permanently crippled by their very bloody injuries? And are they going to draw underwear on every bit of nudity that they come across?

In short, I cannot recommend the English translation of Tenjho Tenge. In fact, after this and seeing the other lackluster titles they've picked up, I can't recommend anything by CMX. At least Dark Horse, TokyoPop, and Viz know better than to try to repackage a mature-audiences title for teens.

[identity profile] mirumototsubasa.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 05:03 am (UTC)(link)
Damn. That sucks. I've been picking up the Japanese versions of it at the booktore in Mitsuwa because of some beautiful pictureson the cover art and posters inside. I like the hot-hot guys, of course, but I'm willing to wade through the titties for them. So I have several issues, and was exited that it was finally getting teanslated so I could read the story, since I can't actually read Japanese. Oh well. Maybe I'll...uh...spend a lot of time in Borders and just read them there. Heh.

[identity profile] yankeerose69.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 05:10 am (UTC)(link)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I KNEW this shit was gonna happen god damn it!!! Its just not TenTen if your gonna censor the shit out of it. I bet they are gonna have Maya's tits covered too when Mits rips open her jacket to see the bruise on her arm in the bowling alley.

[identity profile] nockergeek.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 05:32 am (UTC)(link)
Drop me an email (kuririn AT ninja DASH monkey DOT com), and I can probably hook you up with the scanlations if you want to read it in English. I know, it's not the same as a nice handheld copy, which was what I was looking forward to with the CMX version, but it's better than this.

[identity profile] nockergeek.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 05:33 am (UTC)(link)
Sad Bunshichi in snow...

...which is truly sad, because Bunshichi is the fuckin' man, right up there with Beat Takeshi. ^^ And as far as having breasts covered, well, when Ryuzaki tears open Aya's bomber jacket at the laundromat, she's got a bra, so I can only imagine the same will be the case for Maya...

[identity profile] rady.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 05:43 am (UTC)(link)
..... I guess this... change... to the manga was expected when we knew it was being translated into english. Still.. ugh.. I hate it when they do that!! >___o

[identity profile] mirumototsubasa.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 05:46 am (UTC)(link)
Eh...I don't like to do a lot of reading online. I do most of my reading at work in slow times and such, so the hand held, or at least print out, is neccesary. I save my online time for things like World of Warcraft,and forums. *gack* and IRC. *grin*

[identity profile] selphish.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 05:56 am (UTC)(link)
At times like this, I thank the gods that I can read Japanese and steal [livejournal.com profile] thunderemperor's TenTen tankouban any time I feel like reading.

[identity profile] laudre.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 07:03 am (UTC)(link)
So much for buying the translations. Suppose I'll have to go dig out the scanlations.

[identity profile] yankeerose69.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 08:34 am (UTC)(link)
Buns is my fav character. Don't know what it is about the perverted men that I fall in love with *lol*. Though I also love his character cause he doesn't have any "special" powers, it seems as if his strength is his own but hell, even THAT had to have come from somewhere. (except that his parents seem like reg. ppl) They need to bring him back into the scene like SOON!!!! cause I have a feeling that they will be needing him and when that time comes, I'm anxious to see what he will be needed for.

I'm still pretty ticked that they had the nerve to label it as Teen and not Mature. Hell, Sensual Phrase has a few sex scenes in it (and is released by Viz) but at least they didn't edit that shit out, though I forget what kind of rating they give that manga. How can you label TenTen as TEEN!! Come on, all the nudity and earlier sex scenes is far from being a Teen rating. Oh god, I just realized that Mits and Mana fucked alot too *smacks forehead* Makes me wonder what they will do regarding that even though they aren't quite naked in the school scenes but I think when they are in bed they are. ARGH!!!! Fucking morons!

If you are interested, I wrote a Buns x Isuzu somewhat sexual fic, it involves Buns fav. kink ^_~ Tit for Tat (http://www.livejournal.com/users/yankeerose69/374442.html#cutid1)

[identity profile] nockergeek.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 01:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, damn. That... that's a nice bit of sexfic right there. *boing*

[identity profile] nockergeek.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I wouldn't say it was expected. This was my first CMX title, and I didn't know how much they'd censor it. After all, Dark Horse hasn't been censoring Berserk, and TokyoPop has left the art in Battle Royale and Arm of Kannon alone. Hell, TokyoPop publishes Battle Vixens/Ikki Tousen, and it's got almost as much nudity and violence as TenTen. Difference is, they rated it for Older Teens (16+), not Teens (13+).

CMX has greatly disappointed me. It's apparent that they want to get in on the manga market because "it's big with the kids," not because they want to bring over titles that other houses don't have yet.

[identity profile] nockergeek.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 01:56 pm (UTC)(link)
If there are any you need, let me know; I have them up through chapter 76.

[identity profile] yankeerose69.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I have up to #80 translated and #81 raw. Did you need those?

[identity profile] nockergeek.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 02:30 pm (UTC)(link)
77-80 would be awesome! ^^

[identity profile] yankeerose69.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 03:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to upload them to yousendit. I'll try and get it ready by the weekend.

[identity profile] rady.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually was expecting them (CMX) to censor out a lot.. I haven't picked up any of their translated mangas but in general I wouldn't trust any of them to keep the material as it came originally (especially with so much raunchy content). And just for note, I don't trust TokyoPop's stuff either, the translations aren't that good, and the names... oh god the changes to the names are horrible. Which brings me to, did CMX butcher any of the character names in TjTg? I hope not...

[identity profile] nockergeek.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
If TokyoPop has been altering any names, I haven't seen it. All the series I've been picking up from them (Ikki Tousen/Battle Vixens, Keroro Gunso/Sgt. Frog, etc.) seem to be using the original Japanese names - no renamings or respellings that I've noticed.

And to their credit, CMX left the names and the text parts of the story in TenTen untouched. Comparing the pages to a fan scanlation, the dialogue seemed to match up pretty well.

[identity profile] sakura-no-prey.livejournal.com 2005-03-03 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
sigh..i should have figured as much. I was lucky to get scanlations up to chapter 63 and censoring it kind of just...ugh...why couldn't they have just rated it older teen/mature and shrinkwrapped it or something..

[identity profile] yankeerose69.livejournal.com 2005-03-06 07:16 am (UTC)(link)
Just letting you know I'm sending the links for the manga through the email that you have in your bio.